{"id":32655,"date":"2016-11-12T03:45:38","date_gmt":"2016-11-12T03:45:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/greattelangaana.com\/english\/?p=32655"},"modified":"2016-11-12T03:45:38","modified_gmt":"2016-11-12T03:45:38","slug":"can-donald-trump-still-stopped","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/greattelangaana.com\/english\/can-donald-trump-still-stopped\/","title":{"rendered":"Can Donald Trump still be stopped ?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Donald Trump won presidential election. But many liberals and progressives have begun clinging to one faint hope that he could still be stopped \u2014 through the Electoral College.<\/p>\n

Tuesday\u2019s vote was technically not to make Trump president, but only to determine who the 538 electors in various states across the country will be. It is those electors who will cast the votes that legally elect the president on December 19.<\/p>\n

In modern times, the casting of electoral votes has been a purely ceremonial occasion where the results in the states have been rubber-stamped. But one idea spreading on left-leaning social media circles is that electors from states Trump won should be urged to support Clinton instead. A Change.org petition to this effect has more than 500,000 signatures.<\/p>\n

\"Can<\/p>\n

Weirdly enough, this actually seems to be technically possible \u2014 the US Constitution does seem to give the electors the final say in picking the president.<\/p>\n

But realistically, considering how big a lead Trump has, who the electors are, how their votes are counted, and hundreds of years of American democratic norms, it\u2019s a silly fantasy that is just in no way, shape, or form going to happen.<\/p>\n

When Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton won states on Tuesday, the practical result was that they won slots for electors in those states. For instance, Trump\u2019s win in Alaska meant the Republican Party\u2019s nominated elector slate there \u2014 former Gov. Sean Parnell, Jacqueline Tupou, and Carolyn Leman \u2014 officially becomes Alaska\u2019s three electors. This process repeated itself across the country, resulting in the selection of the 538 electors.<\/p>\n

On December 19, the electors will cast their votes for president in their respective states.<\/p>\n

But while in the modern era this ceremonial occasion has been a formality that reiterates the results of statewide votes, it seems to be at least technically possible that electors could instead defy their states and vote for whomever they choose.
\nAccording to the National Conference of State Legislatures, about 30 of the 50 states have passed laws “binding” their electors to vote in accordance with the presidential popular vote in their state. But in most, the penalty for not doing so is only a fine, and it\u2019s unclear whether stiffer penalties would hold up in court \u2014 it\u2019s never been tested, and the Constitution does appear to give the electors the right to make the final call. Furthermore, there are still 20 or so states that haven\u2019t even tried to bind their electors.<\/p>\n

This isn\u2019t just theoretical. Richard Berg-Andersson lists nine electors who have indeed gone \u201crogue\u201d and refused to support their state\u2019s presidential choice in the past 100 years.<\/p>\n

Their votes were all counted as cast, though there have never been sufficient numbers of them to overturn a presidential election result.<\/p>\n

1) The Republican Party clearly ended up falling behind Trump, and any Republican elector who abandons him would be defying the will of not only their state\u2019s voters but also the party generally. And while there actually are some Trump skeptics who are electors, they\u2019ve pretty much all said they\u2019d affirm the results in their states.<\/p>\n

2) Trump now looks likely to end up with 306 electors to Clinton\u2019s 232. So it\u2019s not as if one or two electors could make the difference. Thirty-seven electors would have to desert Trump to deprive him of his majority. That\u2019s a lot.<\/p>\n

\"Can<\/p>\n

3) These electors wouldn\u2019t just have to desert Trump. Simply depriving Trump of 270 votes without giving Clinton herself 270 would throw the election to the GOP-controlled House of Representatives, which is certain to award the presidency to Trump. To prevent Trump\u2019s election, they\u2019d all have to affirmatively back Clinton.<\/p>\n

Many progressives and liberals are clearly unhappy with the outcome of this election and fearful of a Trump presidency, and understandably so.<\/p>\n

However, in addition to being unrealistic, this idea that the electors should simply choose to make Hillary Clinton president would be tremendously dangerous for American democracy if it ever gained real steam, despite the fig leaf that it seems to be technically possible and that Hillary Clinton appears to have won the popular vote.<\/p>\n

For 180 years or so, our system has interpreted the results of the state elections as the Electoral College results. The campaigns are waged based on this understanding of the rules. The electors themselves have been rubber stamps.<\/p>\n

The popular vote has been irrelevant. Degrading those norms as part of a likely doomed effort to defeat Donald Trump is a bad idea. (For one, future rogue electors may not always vote the way you want \u2014 several historical rogue electors had racist motivations.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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